Thursday, May 8, 2008

APX Alarm, Honeywell and Door-to-door Salesmen

One of the things that I find crazy about APX Alarm is that when they are in their sales pitch, they claim to be a subsidiary type company of Honeywell. To me, that seems they aren't very proud of making a national name out of themselves. While they love to proclaim how big they are getting, and how many accounts they sell, during their sales pitch they use a huge crutch that is Honeywell. People have heard of Honeywell, not many have heard of APX. They hope people think that if they are associated with them, they must be good.

Truth be told, any alarm company can use Honeywell equipment. So, yes, if using their equipment means they are Honeywell, then I guess APX Alarm is Honeywell. Then that raises another question of why are they APX Alarm and why do they go by that name to everyone else? One company to one person, another company to another person.

It needs to be known that Honeywell and GE are the two big players in entry level alarm systems, aka the ones they give for free. Those two companies sell their equipment to the alarm companies such as APX Alarm, Pinnacle Security, even ADT, Monitronics and others. The equipment that APX Alarm and other door-to-door alarm sales companies use is not the most high tech stuff. Think of it like the free phone you get when you sign a contract at AT&T, T-Mobile, or Verizon. Is it the best phone out there on the market? No. Same goes with alarms, if you get the free system, while it may do its job, it isn't the iPhone of the alarm industry. Anybody who tells you otherwise is off of their rocker. It is a lot like the free phone gig. While the free phone might be better than a phone made 5 years ago, it is in no way the best one out there. They give you an inexpensive alarm system for free to get you to sign a 3-5 year contract. If you get a $40/month monitoring fee, over 3 years, you will pay $1440 plus any activation fees or installation fees they may charge. If it is 5 years you are paying $2400 for that free system. The monitoring fee subsidizes the "free equipment".

Now, sure you get a free alarm system and pay for the monitoring. While it is not a scam to operate like that, it leads to the question, is it really free? Maybe a "free*" is more like it. The cost of that Alarm you are offered for free is around $200-$300 depending on how much goes into it. Obviously if you get the 5 year contract, you will get more equipment. They pay the installation guy, you know the one, the one that pulls up in a Honda accord with out of state plates probably from Utah, Idaho, or Arizona. Well they pay him $75-$100 to install your system. They also want to get him there as quick as possible because the sooner you have holes in your wall with an alarm system about to go in, the less likely you are to cancel. The less likely buyers remorse will set in. Isn't that how you feel?

Now, is this whole thing a scam? Technically no, but is that right? It depends who you ask. It is a way to operate a business but it can get shady. Honestly, as to whether it is a "scam", it's situational. There is no way the company can guarantee what is said in the sale, and if the salesman cuts a corner, they don't know that. Usually it isn't, but it can be. Be smart, if you smell something fishy, it probably is a fish. Alarm salesmen are synonymous with being pushy.

So, after paying for the equipment, the technician, you know that "advertising" guy who showed up at your door is gonna get paid. Depending on how experienced he is, he will get anywhere from $400-$500 for signing you up. So yes, he does have something riding on the line to get you to sign. Makes you wonder why they are so pushy sometimes, huh? Well, because if they get you hooked up they will be getting a pay day. If you don't sign, he doesn't get paid. If you need to "think" about it, that is bad news for him. They are trained to be pushy. It means more money. The rest of the money from your monitoring fees goes to pay the manager who taught him how to sell, company executives and everything else.

So, yeah, kind of a long explanation. While APX Alarm uses Honeywell equipment, here is what Honeywell says in regard to APX Alarm and other door-to-door sales companies:

"Honeywell corporate spokesman David Gottlieb says emphatically that his company does not employ door-to-door salespeople. Honeywell does not sell directly to homeowners, he points out. Instead, the company sells to thousands of independent dealers who utilize many kinds of sales promotions. Some sell from storefronts, some through newspaper ads, and some by going from home to home. Honeywell provides guidelines about how its logo and trademark can be used, he says, and has standards that prohibit anyone from representing themselves as agents of the company." link

So, APX Alarm basically uses the big name for name recognition, but is not involved directly with them, besides using their equipment. That is like a cell phone company claiming to be Motorola, Samsung, or Apple. Sounds absurd right? While they may use their equipment, it is the service that you are paying for. When you go to T-Mobile, you go with them because you like their service, same with Verizon or what not. I personally see that as misleading on the part of APX. If I am going to have someone secure my home, I don't want them to be in any way misleading. It's fine if they mention that they use Honeywell equipment and sell that, but don't sell the idea they are Honeywell. For example, last summer, I knocked doors in an area that Honeywell had already knocked in. I was confused as can be, I thought it was weird Honeywell was knocking. Then I put two and two together and realized it was APX because of their signs. No one knew it was APX Alarm, they knew them as Honeywell, and that is all messed up. Selling the fact that they use their equipment is one thing, but selling the idea that you are associated in any other way is dishonest. The thing that I see as an issue with alarm sales companies is that they focus on making money only, and other more altruistic things are forgotten. They are, in a way, crime profiteers. I don't like companies that only focus on making money and not to worried about the ramifications of a few people that get run over in the process. It doesn't serve the overall good for everyone and it often times screws a lot of people over in the process.

To me, the companies who only go door-to-door to sell alarms (APX Alarm, Pinnacle Security, Platinum Protection, Icon Security, Elite Security, Centurion, Northstar Alarm, etc.) are only about creating more money and doing the bare minimum to supply a quality product. They of course will say otherwise, they will say it is the best alarm out there. Of course they will, it will help them make the sale.

I have sold alarms for 3 years this very way, and I still sell alarms. I just look at it a different way. For me to sell an alarm to someone, it has to be something they want. While there are certain things to "build need", I am not going to use scare tactics, claim to be associated with a company when in reality I am not, and try to reference people who supposedly use our product in the area when no one does. I try to make it logical for someone to have an alarm, not just an emotional purchase where they are spooked and that then leads them into a 5 year contract with no way out and high monitoring rates.

Now, for a consumer, whether you should go ahead with an alarm agreement from a summer model sales company, that is ultimately up to you. It isn't a scam, but do your research. As a fact, many of the summer alarm sales companies aren't the most customer oriented companies. I have worked for a few and I know. Unless it is a local company, you can tell by the address on the contract, it may be more difficult to get someone to service your alarm if needs be, and even then it may be difficult depending on the company. If it is an out of state company, the majority are, think about if that is something that is important to you. Is shopping and buying local important for you? Do you want to have a real place to go talk to someone if the need arises? Those are all things to think about when thinking about purchasing an alarm or signing a contract for monitoring.

Now, for an employee or potential employee of such a company. You need to think about what to do or say when someone asks you about this. Do your research and realize, that for the same money you can make with an out of state traveling crew of sales people, you could probably make more with an established local company. Look into it, they probably aren't the ones doing as much advertising, just think about it ahead of time.

Simply put, think about it and make sure it is right for you, not just them. It is after all your home security, and not their financial security.

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16 comments:

QT in WA said...

Great insights, thanks. I got a salesman from APX today (Lynnwood WA) and he fits the profile, trying to sell "free" upgrade to my existing system, and even dare to ask info about my current setup and ask to take a loook at the alarm panel. These raised a lot of red flags and I summarily sent him off.

Rick Fitzgerald said...

I just had an alarm installed from APX Alarms yesterday and I think you guys are a little too harsh on the company. I think they did a good job and ADT wouldn't give me the same system for free. They use the same system as ADT too, which is Honeywell. I would recommend them.

Silver Lady said...

Beware of this company. While the caregiver was at the store filling my mother's prescription, they sold her a contract at $45 per month, although when we called at installation they said there was no contract. Now shes in a care facility and they refuse to stop the charges. I have same system, bigger house, with APT. It is $24 a month. They are dishonorable, expensive, and very hard sell. BEWARE.

Anonymous said...

Hey Rick! Congrats on your purchase! That must have been perfect timing on the part of APX to come by, right as you got some pricing from ADT!

http://www.alarmsales.org/2008/07/positive-consumer-reviews-of-apx-alarm.html

Anonymous said...

Silver Lady, APX will cancel a contract if A)Customers move to a nursing home. B)The US military calls for a customer to serve. So, I would let them know. APX is definitely cheaper than ADT, and you get just as good of a system. 45 a month can be a little pricey, BUT you get your equipment and installation for FREE! You have 3 business days to cancel a contract with them or otherwise your stuck in it, unless the two situations mentioned above happen, then you can cancel whenever. As for you qt in wa, the upgrade is free. You pay for nothing except the monthly monitoring. (which your already paying for with your current alarm) and possibly an activation fee. When you add everything up APX isn't a bad company. Some sales reps for them might say inaccurate things, which is very wrong, but ultimately you have to read the contract!!!! Duh!

Vanessa Wells said...

We installed APX here a month ago and there are several other people on the block did the same thing. My neighbour told me we needed to get a permit or we could be charged for having too many false calls. As the salesperson and the verifier on the phone never mentioned the need for permit we never thought about it. At the time I thought the deal was too good to be true and I should have closed the door on it.

When I telephoned the 1-800 # that was supposed to be the dispatch/call centre in Edmonton, Alberta I discovered that it was actually out of Utah. We do not want to deal with American companies of any sort. I am filing a complaint to the BBB and Service Alberta and we will try to void the contract somehow. It will probably cost us to buy it out but unscrupulous dishonest people I do not need.

APX is a SCAM and we should have known better! We have been fools and I will suffer the guilt.

Anonymous said...

okay, so this is how it goes, im going to break it down for you! APX is one of the largest home security companies not only in the USA but in canada as well. So you might say that you dont want to deal with american companies, but im sure you didnt think that APX employees over 450 students in alberta and BC as well as a couple in manitoba this pays for their tuitions to go to canadian schools, they get paid out of canadian funds, and they put their money back into the canadian economy. So their for your argument is BS. so now we will continue onto the oil companys many people who work for these companies in alberta are working for international companies that dose not mean that they do not have a canadian base. they do as dose apx. they are employing canadians, and even if they go work abroad they are still brinnging their money back to canada to spend. so theirfor you are just screwing with a bunch of students just trying to get into med school or law school... and as for proffessionals apx only employs the best. and honesty! read what you sign you have three days, not to mention it is 10 in canada.

Anonymous said...

I worked for a company like this before and your painting of some of the companies aspects as horrific is hilarious. They are pushy because it's normal for someone to say some kind of no in conversation when they don't really mean it and there asking for more info. Its not that easy to read people so you just have to assume or you will never get sales. Also of course they send the guy over sooner rather than later. When something catches your eye in a store its about to get rung up in 15 minutes. The fact that we can't install for a few days in some instances is an unfair disadvantage and of course we combat that. It's a company. Anytime you buy a phone you pay just as much ridicules over heads. Don't worry about over head. The only question is if its worth what your getting.

Nathaniel Beukalauer said...

I agree whole heartedly with many of the comments above. I was actually an security systems technician for APX and would like to add my opinion. I totally understand that many of the salesreps are pushy and are mainly looking for a sale, or "pay day." However, the service and system itself is legitimate. On the other hand, I don't think that some of their practices are ethical. I don't mean that they aren't legal because they are. I mean that they aren't ethical business practices in my view. I am a business student and thouroughly enjoy it. Ethical values are stressed at my university and I would have to agree that APX doesn't really have ethical business practices in that the systems are sold and installed on the same day. There are two sides to that arguement though. On the side of APX, you do want to offer service in a timely manner and don't want your customers to be scared about having some vital information given to a sales rep that they just barely met. However, the other reason they do install them on the same day is to lesson the chance of having buyer's remorse set in. That is what I think is unethical. I think that the company should allow the customers the 3 day period to decide if they really want the service. That is more than enough time to make an educated and well analyzed decision. I didn't like going into houses just minutes or hours after the sales rep had just left. I only liked it if the customer was excited and knew exactly what they were getting. It is all in the contract for I have read it myself.

Anonymous said...

We have an APX Alarm System, and I feel that it is one of the best purchases we have ever made. The company is very good to work with, and their customer support has been very helpful. Perhaps some people have had a bad experience, but since nothing in the world is perfect of course someone would. I don't feel that it is appropriate for people to bad mouth something they obviously do not truely understand.

Anonymous said...

I think there are several holes in silver lady's sob story. Its one thing to have a misleading sales rep, but its entirely different to say a recorded call center rep would also mislead.. I don't believe silver lady truly asked if there was a contract..even if she did looking at her copy of the contract should've been a good sign that yes indeed it was a contract.. you'd think two and two would make four wouldn't you? Also yes a care facility would make the agreement null and void..APT?? sounds like one of those large highly acclaimed, UNHEARD of companies, no one talks about.

Anonymous said...

Great article by an ADT Salesperson.

Anonymous said...

This should tell you all you need to know.

http://consumerist.com/369490/the-10-lies-a-door+to+door-alarm-salesman-tells

Dominic said...

We had an alarm system installed by APX last week and I experienced some of the same selling tactics, etc. In the end, the guy was polite, the installer did a great job, we've set the alarm off a couple times and have had great service. I was a little concerned when I read the comments in our local newspaper and searched online. But to get hardware and monitoring for $45 per month, I think we got a good deal!

SmartGranny in Xenia said...

Nice young Erik came to my door this evening to tell me all about the APX Alarm monitoring system and was here for 2 hours. I just came home from the hospital earlier today (would have sent him away normally) but minutes earlier prior to his arrival the oddest situation took place in front of my house. I saw a car pull up and stop; I didn't recognize the car so I watched for a moment and what I saw was another car across the steet, a man got out and came to the car parked in front of my house and proceeded with what looked like a drug deal going down! I hollered out the window and they were gone in a flash. I didn't have my glasses on and they sped away too quickly for me to get much other detail. Is this a coincidence? If these two incidents are related isn't that a crime?, not to mention that is a down right aweful scare tactic to use when you have never, I mean never in the years I have lived here ever seen anything like what looked like a deal happening, not even in the least. Glad I listened to my son to check them out because nice young Erik was (for lack of a better word) nice.

SmartGranny in Xenia

Alarm Sales said...

SmartGranny in Xenia - I don't know whether it is or isn't a coincidence. If it is true, that is one of the most terrible things to do. If it's not, it is just a coincidence.

One thing I would suggest you read is this article. It could help you out and know what to do next time.

http://mayorofconcord.com/2009/concord-cacrooked-door-to-door-home-alarm-sales/

Thanks for reading!

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