Truth be told, any alarm company can use Honeywell equipment.
So, yes, if using their equipment means they are Honeywell, then I guess APX Alarm is Honeywell. Then that raises another question of why are they APX Alarm and why do they go by that name to everyone else? One company to one person, another company to another person.It needs to be known that Honeywell and GE are the two big players in entry level alarm systems, aka the ones they give for free. Those two companies sell their equipment to the alarm companies such as APX Alarm, Pinnacle Security, even ADT, Monitronics and others. The equipment that APX Alarm and other door-to-door alarm sales companies use is not the most high tech stuff. Think of it like the free phone you get when you sign a contract at AT&T, T-Mobile, or Verizon. Is it the best phone out there on the market? No. Same goes with alarms, if you get the free system, while it may do its job, it isn't the iPhone of the alarm industry. Anybody who tells you otherwise is off of their rocker. It is a lot like the free phone gig. While the free phone might be better than a phone made 5 years ago, it is in no way the best one out there. They give you an inexpensive alarm system for free to get you to sign a 3-5
year contract. If you get a $40/month monitoring fee, over 3 years, you will pay $1440 plus any activation fees or installation fees they may charge. If it is 5 years you are paying $2400 for that free system. The monitoring fee subsidizes the "free equipment".Now, sure you get a free alarm system and pay for the monitoring. While it is not a scam to operate like that, it leads to the question, is it really free? Maybe a "free*" is more like it. The cost of that Alarm you are offered for free is around $200-$300 depending on how much goes into it. Obviously if you get the 5 year contract, you will get more equipment. They pay the installation guy, you know the one, the one that pulls up in a Honda accord with out of state plates probably from Utah, Idaho, or Arizona. Well they pay him $75-$100 to install your system. They also want to get him there as quick as possible because the sooner you have holes in your wall with an alarm system about to go in, the less likely you are to cancel. The less likely buyers remorse will set in. Isn't that how you feel?
Now, is this whole thing a scam? Technically no, but is that right? It depends who you ask. It is a way to operate a business but it can get shady. Honestly, as to whether it is a "scam", it's situational. There is no way the company can guarantee what is said in the sale, and if the salesman cuts a corner, they don't know that. Usually it isn't, but it can be. Be smart, if you smell something fishy, it probably is a fish. Alarm salesmen are synonymous with being pushy.
So, after paying for the equipment, the technician, you know that "advertising" guy who showed up at your door is gonna get paid. Depending on how experienced he is, he will get anywhere from $400-$500 for signing you up. So yes, he does have something riding on the line to get you to sign. Makes you wonder why they are so pushy sometimes, huh? Well, because if they get you hooked up they will be getting a pay day. If you don't sign, he doesn't get paid. If you need to "think" about it, that is bad news for him. They are trained to be pushy. It means more money. The rest of the money from your monitoring fees goes to pay the manager who taught him how to sell, company executives and everything else.
So, yeah, kind of a long explanation. While APX Alarm uses Honeywell equipment, here is what Honeywell says in regard to APX Alarm and other door-to-door sales companies:
"Honeywell corporate spokesman David Gottlieb says emphatically that his company does not employ door-to-door salespeople. Honeywell does not sell directly to homeowners, he points out. Instead, the company sells to thousands of independent dealers who utilize many kinds of sales promotions. Some sell from storefronts, some through newspaper ads, and some by going from home to home. Honeywell provides guidelines about how its logo and trademark can be used, he says, and has standards that prohibit anyone from representing themselves as agents of the company." link
So, APX Alarm basically uses the big name for name recognition, but is not involved directly with them, besides using their equipment. That is like a cell phone company claiming to be Motorola, Samsung, or Apple. Sounds absurd right? While they may use their equipment, it is the service that you are paying for. When you go to T-Mobile, you go with them because you like their service, same with Verizon or what not. I personally see that as misleading on the part of APX. If I am going to have someone secure my home, I don't want them to be in any way misleading. It's fine if they mention that they use Honeywell equipment and sell that, but don't sell the idea they are Honeywell. For example, last summer, I knocked doors in an area that Honeywell had already knocked in. I was confused as can be, I thought it was weird Honeywell was knocking. Then I put two and two together and realized it was APX because of their signs. No one knew it was APX Alarm, they knew them as Honeywell, and that is all messed up. Selling the fact that they use their equipment is one thing, but selling the idea that you are associated in any other way is dishonest. The thing that I see as an issue with alarm sales companies is that they focus on making money only, and other more altruistic things are forgotten. They are, in a way, crime profiteers. I don't like companies that only focus on making money and not to worried about the ramifications of a few people that get run over in the process. It doesn't serve the overall good for everyone and it often times screws a lot of people over in the process.
To me, the companies who only go door-to-door to sell alarms (APX Alarm, Pinnacle Security, Platinum Protection, Icon Security, Elite Security, Centurion, Northstar Alarm, etc.) are only about creating more money and doing the bare minimum to supply a quality product. They of course will say otherwise, they will say it is the best alarm out there. Of course they will, it will help them make the sale.
Now, for a consumer, whether you should go ahead with an alarm agreement from a summer model sales company, that is ultimately up to you. It isn't a scam, but do your research. As a fact, many of the summer alarm sales companies aren't the most customer oriented companies. I have worked for a few and I know. Unless it is a local company, you can tell by the address on the contract, it may be more difficult to get someone to service your alarm if needs be, and even then it may be difficult depending on the company. If it is an out of state company, the majority are, think about if that is something that is important to you. Is shopping and buying local important for you? Do you want to have a real place to go talk to someone if the need arises? Those are all things to think about when thinking about purchasing an alarm or signing a contract for monitoring.
Now, for an employee or potential employee of such a company. You need to think about what to do or say when someone asks you about this. Do your research and realize, that for the same money you can make with an out of state traveling crew of sales people, you could probably make more with an established local company. Look into it, they probably aren't the ones doing as much advertising, just think about it ahead of time.
Simply put, think about it and make sure it is right for you, not just them. It is after all your home security, and not their financial security.
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30 comments:
Great insights, thanks. I got a salesman from APX today (Lynnwood WA) and he fits the profile, trying to sell "free" upgrade to my existing system, and even dare to ask info about my current setup and ask to take a loook at the alarm panel. These raised a lot of red flags and I summarily sent him off.
I just had an alarm installed from APX Alarms yesterday and I think you guys are a little too harsh on the company. I think they did a good job and ADT wouldn't give me the same system for free. They use the same system as ADT too, which is Honeywell. I would recommend them.
Beware of this company. While the caregiver was at the store filling my mother's prescription, they sold her a contract at $45 per month, although when we called at installation they said there was no contract. Now shes in a care facility and they refuse to stop the charges. I have same system, bigger house, with APT. It is $24 a month. They are dishonorable, expensive, and very hard sell. BEWARE.
Hey Rick! Congrats on your purchase! That must have been perfect timing on the part of APX to come by, right as you got some pricing from ADT!
http://www.alarmsales.org/2008/07/positive-consumer-reviews-of-apx-alarm.html
Silver Lady, APX will cancel a contract if A)Customers move to a nursing home. B)The US military calls for a customer to serve. So, I would let them know. APX is definitely cheaper than ADT, and you get just as good of a system. 45 a month can be a little pricey, BUT you get your equipment and installation for FREE! You have 3 business days to cancel a contract with them or otherwise your stuck in it, unless the two situations mentioned above happen, then you can cancel whenever. As for you qt in wa, the upgrade is free. You pay for nothing except the monthly monitoring. (which your already paying for with your current alarm) and possibly an activation fee. When you add everything up APX isn't a bad company. Some sales reps for them might say inaccurate things, which is very wrong, but ultimately you have to read the contract!!!! Duh!
We installed APX here a month ago and there are several other people on the block did the same thing. My neighbour told me we needed to get a permit or we could be charged for having too many false calls. As the salesperson and the verifier on the phone never mentioned the need for permit we never thought about it. At the time I thought the deal was too good to be true and I should have closed the door on it.
When I telephoned the 1-800 # that was supposed to be the dispatch/call centre in Edmonton, Alberta I discovered that it was actually out of Utah. We do not want to deal with American companies of any sort. I am filing a complaint to the BBB and Service Alberta and we will try to void the contract somehow. It will probably cost us to buy it out but unscrupulous dishonest people I do not need.
APX is a SCAM and we should have known better! We have been fools and I will suffer the guilt.
okay, so this is how it goes, im going to break it down for you! APX is one of the largest home security companies not only in the USA but in canada as well. So you might say that you dont want to deal with american companies, but im sure you didnt think that APX employees over 450 students in alberta and BC as well as a couple in manitoba this pays for their tuitions to go to canadian schools, they get paid out of canadian funds, and they put their money back into the canadian economy. So their for your argument is BS. so now we will continue onto the oil companys many people who work for these companies in alberta are working for international companies that dose not mean that they do not have a canadian base. they do as dose apx. they are employing canadians, and even if they go work abroad they are still brinnging their money back to canada to spend. so theirfor you are just screwing with a bunch of students just trying to get into med school or law school... and as for proffessionals apx only employs the best. and honesty! read what you sign you have three days, not to mention it is 10 in canada.
I worked for a company like this before and your painting of some of the companies aspects as horrific is hilarious. They are pushy because it's normal for someone to say some kind of no in conversation when they don't really mean it and there asking for more info. Its not that easy to read people so you just have to assume or you will never get sales. Also of course they send the guy over sooner rather than later. When something catches your eye in a store its about to get rung up in 15 minutes. The fact that we can't install for a few days in some instances is an unfair disadvantage and of course we combat that. It's a company. Anytime you buy a phone you pay just as much ridicules over heads. Don't worry about over head. The only question is if its worth what your getting.
I agree whole heartedly with many of the comments above. I was actually an security systems technician for APX and would like to add my opinion. I totally understand that many of the salesreps are pushy and are mainly looking for a sale, or "pay day." However, the service and system itself is legitimate. On the other hand, I don't think that some of their practices are ethical. I don't mean that they aren't legal because they are. I mean that they aren't ethical business practices in my view. I am a business student and thouroughly enjoy it. Ethical values are stressed at my university and I would have to agree that APX doesn't really have ethical business practices in that the systems are sold and installed on the same day. There are two sides to that arguement though. On the side of APX, you do want to offer service in a timely manner and don't want your customers to be scared about having some vital information given to a sales rep that they just barely met. However, the other reason they do install them on the same day is to lesson the chance of having buyer's remorse set in. That is what I think is unethical. I think that the company should allow the customers the 3 day period to decide if they really want the service. That is more than enough time to make an educated and well analyzed decision. I didn't like going into houses just minutes or hours after the sales rep had just left. I only liked it if the customer was excited and knew exactly what they were getting. It is all in the contract for I have read it myself.
We have an APX Alarm System, and I feel that it is one of the best purchases we have ever made. The company is very good to work with, and their customer support has been very helpful. Perhaps some people have had a bad experience, but since nothing in the world is perfect of course someone would. I don't feel that it is appropriate for people to bad mouth something they obviously do not truely understand.
I think there are several holes in silver lady's sob story. Its one thing to have a misleading sales rep, but its entirely different to say a recorded call center rep would also mislead.. I don't believe silver lady truly asked if there was a contract..even if she did looking at her copy of the contract should've been a good sign that yes indeed it was a contract.. you'd think two and two would make four wouldn't you? Also yes a care facility would make the agreement null and void..APT?? sounds like one of those large highly acclaimed, UNHEARD of companies, no one talks about.
Great article by an ADT Salesperson.
This should tell you all you need to know.
http://consumerist.com/369490/the-10-lies-a-door+to+door-alarm-salesman-tells
We had an alarm system installed by APX last week and I experienced some of the same selling tactics, etc. In the end, the guy was polite, the installer did a great job, we've set the alarm off a couple times and have had great service. I was a little concerned when I read the comments in our local newspaper and searched online. But to get hardware and monitoring for $45 per month, I think we got a good deal!
Nice young Erik came to my door this evening to tell me all about the APX Alarm monitoring system and was here for 2 hours. I just came home from the hospital earlier today (would have sent him away normally) but minutes earlier prior to his arrival the oddest situation took place in front of my house. I saw a car pull up and stop; I didn't recognize the car so I watched for a moment and what I saw was another car across the steet, a man got out and came to the car parked in front of my house and proceeded with what looked like a drug deal going down! I hollered out the window and they were gone in a flash. I didn't have my glasses on and they sped away too quickly for me to get much other detail. Is this a coincidence? If these two incidents are related isn't that a crime?, not to mention that is a down right aweful scare tactic to use when you have never, I mean never in the years I have lived here ever seen anything like what looked like a deal happening, not even in the least. Glad I listened to my son to check them out because nice young Erik was (for lack of a better word) nice.
SmartGranny in Xenia
SmartGranny in Xenia - I don't know whether it is or isn't a coincidence. If it is true, that is one of the most terrible things to do. If it's not, it is just a coincidence.
One thing I would suggest you read is this article. It could help you out and know what to do next time.
http://mayorofconcord.com/2009/concord-cacrooked-door-to-door-home-alarm-sales/
Thanks for reading!
There have been a number of burglaries in my area coincidentally at homes where APX salespeople had recently visited. Be careful with these people. Most ask about all your possessions and when you are home or NOT home. I am not sure about the company but the salesman may be shady!
You hit the nail on the head in this article. I had these apx guy's come into my neighborhood a few weeks back & what you talked about is exactly what happened. Almost word for word! I felt a little uneasy about it just like anyone who goes door to door trying to sell stuff. I left the descision up to my wife whether or not she wanted to get it installed. She didn't! I had the guy to come back the next day & when he showed back up he and i told him no, you would have thought i smacked him or something. he looked unhappy & was still tryong to make a sale & saying how is office was only going to let him stay here in the area till the evening to offer this deal!
I had these idiots show up today.
I had just canceled a contract with Platinum Protection less than a week ago. (I canceled in the 3 day cancellation period.) They used GE equipment. Same story though.
Anyway.... this guy shows up with Honeywell on his tee shirt and APX Alarm. Well... at least this time... I knew better.... I literally told him, "I just got though throwing another alarm company out last week. Hit the road. You aren't selling anything here. He tried to reply and I said, look hit the road... I'm serious. Hopefully it scared him right out of the neighborhood.
BTW,Rick Fitgerald.... what you need to know is really simple.... you are being WAY over charged.
There was quite a rash of residential burgleries in the neighborhood after tthese people came through. They keep calling even though I have requested to be removed from their calling list. I'm worried that they are checking to see if I am at home or not. I'm having neighbors videotape my residence while I'm not at home. I had a beer with one of their door-to-door salesmen and was told that they recruit kids from a cult in Utah. Something very fishy is going on with this company.
There was a rash of robberies in the area after these people came through. I don't know if the company is behind it but suspect that the student/sales reps may be. Beware!
I have APX in my house for about 3 years now and I have never had any problem with it. I found everyone one that I have delt with to very professional and all in all a great experience. I would reccomned it to anyone. I think most of the negative comments are just people having buyers remorse, and to all of them, I'm sorry. I would hope that in the future, an adult would read the contract stipulations just like EVERY alarm company has.
-Paul
I have had the APX system in my house now for 3 years, and I love it. I have never had any issues and have found everyone one I have delt with to be very professional.
-Paul
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Yesterday 8/26 I got a salesman from APX, he started into his pitch and mentioned the honeywell name as for the products they install. I asked for him to come back due to my husband was not home he said that would be great and gave me the APX website to reference. Afer he left I went to the website and read the review looked at their products and company history, to my suprise at the bottom of the websites home page you can check the employee id numbers. He was back at 6 pm and I invited my neighbor as well. The APX rep went into great detail explaining everything and was very professional. I did sign the contract and asked several questions which were answered and not danced around. Do to the time I did request for installation be the next day our rep did not give us a hard time and was very flexible. After reading the reviews I have to comment on this
1. If there were a rash of break ins after these "people" came through then this needed to be reported to your local authorities with mention due to the fact this is a nationally known company the FBI could be contacted as well to possibly uncover the largest break in ring. Did any one do that? If you did you failed to mention it in your note.
Remember criminals are smart to, they case areas first and if they saw APX employees in or around certain areas the criminals are more than likely to hit a house before anyone could say yes to a home security system.
2. READ, READ, READ-I know everyone is in hurry,out of time, because of your excuses you failed to read the contracts and now you feel betrayed, lied to-please note you did it to yourself not APX.
3. And for the the lady who had a beer with the rep, did he actually use the word cult before or after the beer? Could these "cult" members be from BYU in PROVO.
APX is awesome! I just got it and LOVE it! I live in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada one of the highest crime per capita cities in the nation and have a 2 year old and a five month old. I needed the BEST SECURITY to protect my little ones. I had ADT and they sucked. For only $15 more a month and FREE installation I get 18 points of contact (doors, windows, 2 motion detectors, my garage,) and it is all cellular so if the phone lines are cut it still works. I love that is speaks to me when my 2 year old tries to open the door and sneak out "back door" it says. I did not have that with ADT it would just "chime" and I had no idea what door he was getting out. All this for only $49.99 a month. I am really glad I switched. With ADT all I had was 1 motion detector, 2 doors, and my garage with a long wire that we had to keep burrying so the lawnmower did not cut it. APX is all wireless. Did I mention I LOVE IT! Who cares if it is Honywell - it works awesome.
Robbyn Fisher
On the this topic i Would like to reply that ALL ALARM COMPANIES have pros and cons. Simple as that. Most alarm companies have door to door reps now. Companies do this because its the most effective way to Gather customers. There are Great Reps and Very unethical reps from ALL companies. When you look into a company, Really look into it. A company like Apx Knocks on 15 Million doors a year. sure there gonna hev complaints but they only have 1650 complaints in the BBB and there all resolved. Apx has just received its 2nd year running for the JD Power and Associates award so i Put my Safety in there hands.
i live in one of the largest military towns in the U.S. I work with ADT and i just want to clarify that our company's prices vary from 23.99 to 33.99. We always have unsatisfied customers from APX because they do not relize that they are stuck with a five year contract (ADT offers 3 years) and they do not honor the sailors and soldier's act. That means that the soldier still has to pay even if he/she deploys to Iraq. My intentions here is not to market my company but rather advise you to think twice before going with APX.
Man, listening to some of the complainers here kills me. I had a visit tonight from a Rudy Avignoni who works for BrightKnight Protectron and due to the fact that I proudly have my APX sign on my lawn, he wanted to warn me they are not/were not legally entitled to have contracts in Winnipeg Manitoba (maybe Canada, I stopped him before he got that far). He assured me that somebody could come in and clip the lines behind the keypad unit and rob the place, proving he had no clue what he was talking about as I have cellular service in that alarm panel and a battery backup. He also went into great detail about how he expected they installed the system, and was again wrong as APX had all the correct things in place to cover every possible entrance/exit not including the motion detector (and that was all free install). I am left to assume the other alarm companies feel threatened that such a good company like APX can grab so many customers away. this Protectron Clown surly had no clue what he was talking about, and the ADT guy that phoned me 2 weeks ago (I consider telemarketers worse than door to door btw ADT) was just as clueless about the competition. APX has protected my house and 2 young children for a little under a year now. My insurance company checked into APX and signed off all clear, We even went as far as to test the police response after all these outlandish false scam reports. APX all around is a darn good company.
My mother and mother in law constantly set off our alarm, we get called every single time by a friendly and helpful rep, who has the right to place a charge on our account, but they never do. People should do their homework before claiming something is a scam, and people who hate door to door sales people should not answer the door or post a sign no soliciting. And "Reputable" companies should know what they are talking about before taking up my time.
i rudy avignoni know for a fact that you apx is the biggest joke in the alarm industry. In canada youve had more than 1000 BBB compalints in less then 6 months of being here, and the lynx system you use is an industry joke!!! I am canadian and i support canadian jobs and products. as for the jerk that said the comments about me. you pick the perfect company, too some what protect you. it a match made in heaven. p.s. can't wait too see those apx sales persons out this summer!!! lol
i know rudy hes okay
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